Off Topic Just enough with "I'm not doing it for the views" bullshit

[Deleted member 18559]

Many times, quite often really, I see YouTubers who basically earn views by showing their skin shoot comments like "I'm so sick of guy's objectifying comments, I'm not doing this for the views but because I want to help other girls choose the right bikini for them" etc. and I'm just fed up with it.

I went to a biochemistry school, there was like two or three of us guys and 25 girls in our class. I had been surrounded by girls for four years and had to listen to their stories daily and I realized girls crave attention more than anything. They want to be told they are nice looking, in good shape, have a great hairstyle etc... But let me tell you one more thing I also realized - girls DESPISE each other. Like, if there's a girl in close proximity who looks better than her - she will hate her by default. Of course, it won't be public, she'll pretend she adores her, but in secret she'd think quite the opposite. Same goes for extremely attractive girl - she will take so much pride in the fact that she's better looking than the others and secretly laugh at them.

I had a very good female friend there, we were like pals, and she had her BFF who she had known since kindergarten. It just astonished me, once we got to know each other better, how much she... Well, hated her supposedly best friend. She'd get mad at her because they went out together and guys'd hit at her (her friend) more than herself. She hated her for having a nice boyfriend. She hated her for looking better than her. But, if you saw them together, without knowing them better, you'd think they are the example of a true friendship.

So... Let's get back on the point: when girls upload videos of themselves trying on cheeky bikinis and lacy lingerie and stuff and say how they are "helping my GALS by reviewing clothes for them" - it's not bullshit. Is double horseshit. They are doing it because of, roughly said, two reasons:

1) They want views because sexy stuff sells and views = money. They wouldn't be shaking their bare ass in front of the camera if they wanted to create educational stuff. And no one would be posting objectifying comments if there was nothing to objectify.
2) They want to rub it in the face of other girls how perfect they look while complaining how they look awful. It's just how most girls work, they feed off it.

Sierra McWenie: Almost every comment on here is from random guys talking about your body. Kinda sad I just wanted to say that I love the bikinis, they’re super cute!
Sian Walton: I know it’s annoying I don’t do it for that really. But that’s YouTube and I can’t help it unfortunately!! But I only do it for my gals

Yeah. Right.

 

[BooBees]

Yup, they know exactly what they're doing. They can upload their cute meal plans and maybe get a couple thousand views, or they can upload a panty try on haul and get 500k~1M+ views. And they absolutely know that most people who watch those hauls are dudes - but because they can point to just one female fan (and that's all they need) they can pretend that they're just trying to to help women find panties that fit ?.

I got into it with Pam Grzeskowiak in her YouTube comments a while back because of this exact thing. She made a video about how she was sick of men objectifying her, watching and leaving comments on her videos, and that she didn't make videos for disgusting men to watch. And to be fair to her and the others, some of those comments do take it too far sometimes, but that comes with it and they have measures to deal with it. But I pointed out to her that she was full of crap and being a hypocrite when she had thumbnails on her videos of her bending over trying to get clicks. Of course she called bullshit and started deleting my comments along with others - she eventually took the video down.

So yeah, it is what it is. There's no point in trying to call them out on it, as I found out, it's a losing battle. There are way more white knights and crazy bitches with low self-esteem that these haulers can hide behind than there are of us. Just sit back and enjoy the content that wasn't made for you ?.

 

[Deleted member 18559]

It's true, really, there are always freaks who post stuff like "Oh babe you so hot I suck on your boobs", but that's like one in a fifty. Most "objectifying" comments I see are either time-stamps for interesting moments and the funny conversation that follows ("Thank you, our hero!") or sincere, regular compliments on girl's body and looks. Really nothing to make fuss about, especially if you consider the nature of a video.

On the other hand, do they really want to tell us they are not aware when they are wearing a see-tru? Like, they shot and edited the whole video and failed to see their nipples sticking out? And some guy is "annoying" for mentioning it? Yeah, right.

It's just so much bullshit. I'd like to tell to Miss Sian Walton that I was planning to create her thread here and boost her views, but now, after seeing her crapping in the comments, I won't.

 

[Peter Griffin]

nobody is objectifying them. let me clarify.....nobody is objectifying them in person. it's true that people objectify videos, pictures, etc......but this isn't the same as treating them poorly in person. People will treat others much differently in real life, but a video/picture isn't real. it's a far away depiction of a stranger you'll never know.
For example, when you hear others complain about a woman being objectified in, let's say, the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, it isn't true.....the woman isn't being objectified, the photo is literally being objectified....because it IS an object.

 

[Deleted member 18559]

True. Like, no one would be commenting on her body if she was having a dinner in a restaurant.

 

[redery]

My cake

"Asking for it" is of course a real thing, and just like anything else, there are steps a person can take to influence the behavior of others one way or another. Of course this isn't to say people deserve to be attacked, physically or verbally, but at the same time the safety of your body and your ego is your responsibility.

If someone leaves every window and door to their house wide open and goes on vacation to another country, then comes back after a month to discover a few things missing, did they "deserve" to be robbed? Of course the theft is the doing of the criminal and they bear the responsibility. Theft is unethical and immoral. None of the stuff should have been stolen. You should be able to leave your doors open. But that doesn't mean it's a wise thing to do, and that you're not increasing your chances of being robbed if you do.

Same goes for the Instawhores. If you don't want sexual comments directed at you or made about you, it's probably not wise to sexualize yourself for a public audience. And yeah, maybe you're one of the few who aren't doing anything overtly sexual...but you can't get away with pretending like you aren't aware of the kind of attention that skin and form-fitting clothes brings.

And you certainly can't get away with using it to your advantage one day, and then being outraged when it happens without your wanting it to. Or expecting that you get to dictate the kind of attention people pay to you and who those people are. They might as well come right out and admit "Of course I'm wearing this for attention...but I only want it from guys I'm interested in! And they should only make comments I want to hear!"

Not how it works, sweetheart.

It is kind of hilarious. As usual, it's just a case of wanting to have one's cake and eat it too. They want the power that comes from flaunting sexuality, but none of the side effects. They want the self esteem boost, but none of the judgement. They want the complements, but none of the crassness. They want the attention, but none of the objectification. They want to be wanted by all the guys they want, but none of the guys they don't.

Cattiness from bitterness

As for the secret hatred, that's just a result of the fact that a girl's physical attractiveness is the token that determines a large degree of so many aspects of her life...and almost everything in the realm of landing a mate. If a dude has friend who's better looking, it doesn't affect his chances with girls very much. There's a myriad of other ways he can be attractive to them. For girls however, if she's put next to an easily more attractive cohort, she definitely has her work cut out for her. It only makes sense that women would be so viscous and conniving among each other. As mentioned here, they often don't have a whole lot of control over their lives, which is a pretty scary and depressing situation.

And it also makes sense that hardcore feminists tend to be women who are highly unattractive to men (and men who tend to be unattractive to women.) It's not the feminism that drove men away...it was the women's own lack of appeal to men that drove them to feminism. (And same for feminist men. The only difference is the men are there trying to use it as a tactic to get laid.)

But seriously just look at pictures from a rally. Filled with women that men don't want, and scattered among them are milquetoast men that women don't want. Those things are basically just bitterness conventions. Yeah you'll get some actresses and such who will throw out some token platitudes because obvious reasons...but you never see Victoria's Secret models screaming their heads off about the patriarchy and #YesAllMen...because their experience of men is largely quite different. And they actually tend to lead a much more enjoyable life. So the bitterness and resentment isn't there, which is what essentially makes up and fuels those people.

 

[Deleted member 18559]

True. Completely true. Look at the average conservative woman - you'll see a regular woman, fit and healthy, employed, either being in a relationship or married with kids, but then look up for the photo of an average feminist woman - you'll see a creature with a freakish hairstyle, overweight or underweight, looking enraged and screaming on the top of it's lungs how it needs no man.

As you said it, the same goes for guys also, those who have no trouble being accepted by women and society - they don't think much when a girl refuses them, it's just how the world works, you can't appeal to everyone. On the other hand, those guys who have troubles - if a girl refuses them, they want to burn the ground, they scream on the top of their lungs how women are evil creatures.

 

[Deleted member 18559]

Gwen Gwiz posted a lingerie try-on video yesterday and told us that it's meant to help the other girls shop online and that there are sites like Pornhub, so we are free to leave her page if we are excited.

I like you Gwen, but you are full of crap.

 

[BooBees]

Ah yes, the go to pornhub deflection, never fails lol. Like I said, there's no use in arguing with them - just look at the comments, "...You go girl!". And the funny thing is that even they know she's full of it, but they see her succeeding and they admire and want to be like her so they fall in line - which then gives her more fuel to pretend and act like she isn't doing what everyone knows she's doing.

It's a cycle of stupidity which I'm glad that I don't partake in anymore. I just look from afar and enjoy the view.

 

[Deleted member 18559]

If only that was the end of it. She continues explaining how it's necessary because the photos on the shopping sites are of models with perfect body shapes, so she wants to show how lingerie looks like on average girl.

And I'm like... Your job is literally taking care of your body. You live off it. You make special dietary meals three times a day and go to the gym and apply ten different products on your skin. And you are an average girl, but those others are models.

Yeah. Right.

 

[BooBees]

Yeah, because she's the "average" girl ? I can see curves_4_daze saying that and it being somewhat believable, but even she knows that shtick is bull.

 

[junebum]

There are two things women love above anything else attention and validation. If these women were serious in what they were preaching then why not disable the comment section in these try-on videos. Nope they love the attention and validation from men who come on their page comment and feed their egos. I just scroll down and read the comments and laugh at these men commenting.You are a goddess. Any man would be lucky to have you.

 

[redery]

Yeah we can add that to my "have my cake and eat it too" list from above.

They want the moral support, but none of the exposure.

 

[pinina]

its called having your cake and eating it too. they don't have accountability lol.

 

[redery]

Yeah we can add that to my "have my cake and eat it too" list from above.

They want the moral support, but none of the exposure.

its called having your cake and eating it too. they don't have accountability lol.